What are your thoughts on the option of 'no Coast Park' from Grange to Semaphore Park?

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  • cycledad over 4 years ago
    I cycle my 2 kids to school most days and am really looking forward to a safe route for them to ride their own bikes to school. We also make regular family rides to both Glenelg and Semaphore which means we either let our 5 year old ride on Military rd or ride on footpaths.
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    • a local over 4 years ago
      I cannot believe that (as of the 7th Nov) 9 people disagree with a dad wanting his two kids a safe journey to school and would prefer they ride on military road than a safer route alongside the coast. Sad sad times when people hit the disagree button on that one.
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      • AWD over 4 years ago
        I don't disagree A Local however there are other options like Seaview Road. We all managed to ride to school without a bike path and my kids do too. How about setting a good example for our kids/future generations by protecting the small amount of coastline that doesn't have a concrete monstrosity through it.
      • Dennis K over 4 years ago
        I don't believe people are actually disagreeing that the children should not have a safe journey, of course they should! Many don't want a concrete path along the dunes. Also there are other options as the family can cycle on Seaview RD as an alternative, instead of using Military RD.
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        • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
          Completely agree, no one would agree that children are not entitled to a safe journey whilst bike riding. There are a number of different options for bike riders now, I don't see why a concrete path along the dunes is necessary at all.
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          • cycledad over 4 years ago
            Please let me know a legal alternative to riding Military. Seaview is 1 way against us. Riding the path around the lake is not allowed......Yes we sometimes use Seaview the wrong way and I am amazed how many residents give an unfriendly-"you are going the wrong way." Last Christmas after carols in Henley SQ . we rode back along Seaview with another family with 6 bikes lit up with 3-4 lights each+ coloured flashing lights and were confronted by a local resident telling us we were going the wrong way. I simply gave her a friendly "Merry Christmas", she then hit a seven year old with her hand bag as he rode past. This type of attitude drives us to use Millitary rd on our way to school but coming home we don't have a cycle lane time slot so many cars are parked in the cycle lane......
  • kevin weeks over 4 years ago
    the privacy of adjoining land owners those most affected by the path should be heard it seems that is not the case only two of the 27 represetatives on the commitee are adjoining resedents I agree with a 1.5 mtr path but only if it is in the swail of the sand hills as has been constructed at west beach that worked extremly well and served all concerned the encroachment of lawns of the adjoining residents was reclaimed and revegitated the nett result was more natural Flora than prior to the path and that path was a 3mtr wide shared path Iam otraged that only two representatives of the adjoining owners are on the committee this smells like a set up to me and should be investigated much is at stake here saftey, privacy, land value if the council are to place a path adjoining the properties then a drastic revaluation must occur and resultant rates reduced or should be take up a class action for the destruction of our property values if the council is genuine re saving the sand hills then all properties adjoining the sand hills should be compulsary aquired and returned to its natural state the path if placed where option (1) indicates within 6mtrs of adjoining reidences then our only altrenative is to take legal action to protect our properties from intrusion by the public loss of privacy loss of value and placing us in grate risk of theft and house invasion this is already ocurring with the informal path thats why I support a path as constructed at West beach in the swail well away from the residents boundaries all should be able to enjoy this wonderfull assett and a path in the swail serves all .
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    • AWD over 4 years ago
      That's a fair comment. I don't live on the beachfront but wouldn't want to have those sorts of privacy/safety issues at my home.
    • Al over 4 years ago
      Agree Kevin!
  • AWD over 4 years ago
    This is a beautiful section of our coast, please leave it as is. If this does not occur I sincerely hope that the council will at least ensure an environmentally low impact path that meanders to allow for pedestrians and small children only on bikes. Let's at least leave some of our coast free from these awful concrete paths!
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    • Results over 4 years ago
      I totally Agree
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      • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
        I totally agree too, leave it alone
  • Grumps over 4 years ago
    My property is on Seaview Road, Tennyson and whilst I am a relative newcomer to the area my wife and her family have been in the area for over 40 years. We believe that it is important that this path is installed, in as sympathetic way as circumstances allow. Whilst we accept that this my lead to a small loss of personal amenity we certainly do not believe that it will detract from the area. We in fact believe that it will add value to this section of coast, through the increased visits from people out side of the immediate region which will in turn increase the appreciation of this wonderful section of coastline. This will then focus greater attention on the need to protect and enhance the fragile dunes and will encourage greater support for this by people who will now be able to visit an area previously seen as being off limits.
  • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
    I do live on the Esplanade at Semaphore Park and find it very annoying that residents think they can put up illegal signs on public land in an attempt to sway others that this is not a good project. The public land is for all to use and they are just being selfish.I think the work done todate in front of my property was worthwhile and I have already noticed an increase in use for those wanting to enjoy it. The council have botched up the parking plan as it is extremely difficult to get out of the driveway with cars parked in front (this is not Henley Beach with rear garaging), but otherwise a good initiative. The section between Semaphore Park and Grange, those properties do have rear garage access, and the land to be converted into proper public access will have an improvement in protecting the dunes as I have witnessed some of these residents not using the pathway access provided. This will not be so easy when there will be more witnesses around. Take down your illegal signs and suck it up. It's not your land to dictate to others!
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    • Kevin@HenleyBeach over 4 years ago
      Well said RustyNeverSleeps - I totally agree - I suggest that opponents actually go for a walk along the recently completed sections of this pathway on a nice day and observe the numerous families & individuals enjoying the outdoor benefits of the manicured pathway and surrounds that all residents can now enjoy along with the uninterrupted coastal views and then decide if it is really the concrete monster that 'dooms day' residents are advocating in their propaganda campaigns. In comparison to what was previously between Henley and Grange jetties, it is a vast improvement and a renewed attraction for the area. The adjoining coastal residents to the pathway in this and other completed areas have all preached the same "dooms day" predictions before the pathway was built, with none of their supposed concerns/objections coming to fruition! The benefits to the vast majority of rate payers has far outweighed the unsubstantiated objections of a vocal minority.
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      • Nature SA over 4 years ago
        Leave the coast alone! To call people selfish for trying to protect their privacy, is pathetic and Ignorant. Anyone put in a situation where their property and their house are going to be affected would do the same. But despite the issue of privacy and safety. This is also an environmental issue, and cost issue. With the project costing APPX over 1million dollars a KM. It is ridiculous that this unnecessary and unwanted project is even being proposed. Tax payers money can be used for much more fruitful causes than destroying the only part of the beach front in SA that has not been infringed upon. The benefits of leaving the beachfront as it currently is, far out weight the minority of pessimists who, think that trying to protect the dunes and beachfront is an unworthy cause. Protecting the beachfront is important not only for us but our future generations, so they can also enjoy this unique tranquil part of Adelaide.
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          • bikerider over 4 years ago
            The privacy issue is one thing and rusty you calling someones opinion "pathetic and ignorant" is just showing maybe you are a little or more of both. I think it is a very valid concern for any residents. The fact is a big concrete path is ugly to say the least, if we do something lets do it properly and do something nice.
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                • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
                  Not sure what an angry ant sounds like? Just don't appreciate people who pass judgement on others and then accuse others of the same. Stop hiding behind the mask of a bike rider
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                  • Results over 4 years ago
                    Rusty you have been passing a lot of judgement on everyone
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                    • Dennis K over 4 years ago
                      I actually have my doubts that Rusty lives on the esplanade Going by his comments and calling the bike rider a fake. Who is calling a spade a spade? A lot of residents that llive on the boundary of the dunes may only have a few metres (3 - 5) and have legitimate concerns for their security and privacy. If you do live on the esplanade you probably have a road in front of your house, so there is no comparison.
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                        • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
                          Me too Denis, me too paul
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                          • Dennis K over 4 years ago
                            At least spell my name right.................Dennis! Rusty who lives on the Esplanade, apparently!
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                              • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
                                Threats, hmmm not nice rusty
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                                  • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
                                    Oh I see its your place now, you're comment that has now been remove made reference to my place, anyway I'm done, good luck to all
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                                • Results over 4 years ago
                                  Rusty, threatenig people is really not in the spirit of what we are doing here, we may have different veiws but lets keep it civil.
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                                • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
                                  Denis how do you draw such a conclusion. Seems to me you are looking to make something out of a simple statement where I am happy to prove where I live to all the non believers
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                                  • Dennis K over 4 years ago
                                    I really don't care where you live! Like Paul I'm done, so no more comment, you got more attention than you deserve.
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              • Nature SA over 4 years ago
                It's truly disappointing that someone who lives on the Esplanade, cares so little for the well being of their own beachfront and their own families privacy/security. Education is the solution, and maybe some sleep? haha. Trying to destroy not only the dunes but Adelaide's only undisturbed beachfront is very sad. We need to all focus on what is important, and that is sustainability, for our future and our children's future. Just because some people clearly don't care what mess they leave behind for their children, this gives us fuel to fight for the right thing, knowing that a major injustice could happen. It's not always easy to do the right thing, but I believe the moral arch of the universe bends towards justice. Ultimately we will not be judged by what we did or who we were, but by how we leave the planet for our future children. So lets to the right thing. Support leaving the beach alone. thank you
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                • Results over 4 years ago
                  well said, lets save our coast
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                  • AWD over 4 years ago
                    Absolutely save our coast
                • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
                  Nicely said, nature
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                  • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
                    Nicely said nature, nicely said paul, nicely said everyone
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                        • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
                          Wow again with the threats
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        • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
          Well said, nature
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          • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
            well said paul, well said nature, well said denis, well said everyone
    • CarolC over 4 years ago
      What illegal signs are you talking about? I have not seen any.
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      • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
        Have a look on the corner of Third ave and Esplanade
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        • CarolC over 4 years ago
          I will go along and check them out. I have only had good experiences from the locals along this stretch who all seem pretty keen to have people walk along with their dogs and babies in pushers and use the land which they know is not "theirs" but who seem to water it and tend to the dunes. Do you?
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          • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
            I know plenty of the locals who would have you think it is much "easier" to push a pram in the current set up vs proposed, are all "about the dunes" and "NOT" the "personal impact" of the better use of the public land in front of their homes, "AND" walk down to the beach on the dunes rather than use the current designated pathways. "DO YOU?"
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            • KH over 4 years ago
              I don't frequent Semaphore and am closer to Grange/Tennyson and I don't use the designated bike path from Grange to Henley near me as I am constantly concerned for my and my daughters safety due to bikes. I know plenty of mums in my area that walk along Seaview Road (which the footpaths are a pain) rather than risk walking along the bike track (I call it that because the bike riders do not seem to understand that it's supposed to be a shared path! (sorry if you are one of the 1% considerate bike riders out there!).
    • KH over 4 years ago
      I use this area all the time and have not seen any illegal signs. I have had nothing but nice experiences from the locals I have met along the Grange/Tennyson stretch. I do however feel for them sometimes as I've seen a number of people walking at times show little or no respect for the fact that people do live there, wandering into private yards, letting dogs run onto their properties, etc. I certainly wouldn't like that at my house!
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      • Kevin@HenleyBeach over 4 years ago
        KH - in reply to your comment above and your response under CarolC in relation to the nefarious bike riders! You are obviously one of the "dooms day" preachers, using emotion instead of facts for your argument. These same arguments have been used before other sections of the pathway were completed as a scare tactic. Stick to the facts. Go for a walk along the path on a nice day and you will see the real enjoyment that numerous families are experiencing, meandering along the pathway, enjoying the fresh air and scenery, and spending their money at local shops while they are here.
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        • KH over 4 years ago
          Hi Kevin, I am not one of those 'dooms day' preachers and I am certainly not basing my comment on emotion . I have structured my answer to reflect my own view which is what this forum is for. You are of course also entitled to your own opinion but I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from making condescending comments such as those above. I live locally and have done so for nearly 4 years. During my time I have walked a couple of times a week between Grange / Henley (weather permitting) and almost daily for the last year with my child. During this time I enjoyed walking along this stretch BEFORE the latest section of path was finished as it was a lovely walk. Now, I no longer bother using this path as I have lost count of the times I have had issues with cyclists coming too close to me and my pram/trike. I love it when someone rings their bell and I gladly move if there is a conflict however it's pretty rare to get such courtesy along this path. I know dozen's of mums in the area who also walk along Seaview road like myself for the exact same reason.
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          • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
            Wow KH, how unlucky are you! I live right in front of the new track and walk to Grange every day and have never experienced this.
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            • KH over 4 years ago
              I'm not 'unlucky' at all Rusty, you need to try walking along that path with a pram and see what happens. I can assure you I have dozen's of mums I know that complain about the exact same issue with many doing the same as I and walking along Seaview Road. Cyclists seem to endeavour to try and come as close as possible to the pram - you actually feel the wind as they speed past without any regard. What astounds me is that they do it even when there is plenty of room!!
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    • Rudi over 4 years ago
      If, as you say those signs are illegal, why are they still up?
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      • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
        Any public sign posted on council property without council approval is illegal. Given these are hand painted eye sores I doubt council would have approved these with out a public notification seeking comment!As to why they are still up, why don't you ask council.........and........while you're there, can you also ask them why do dog walkers let their dogs run free when they should be on a leash, why is there dog poop on the beach, why is there still graffiti on the vacant shops on military road and why does the sun set in the west?
    • Results over 4 years ago
      Rusty, why should we suck it up and ruin the last part of our dune system, stop being such a nature hater, lets leave some nature for a future generations not a big ugly concrete path, there is plenty of concrete along out coast but not many dunes.
    • bikerider over 4 years ago
      Ive seen these signs walking along the north part of Tennyson, The ones I have seen where on peoples property and people have the right to have their own opinion it is a free and democratic country. Plus having an ugly concrete path is really simplistic unsophisticated part solution, we need a better solution and keep everyone happy.
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      • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
        Once again incorrect Bike Rider. I have taken photos of the signs. All on public land, not private, unless the public verge is also being claimed by the no voters
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        • bikerider over 4 years ago
          Personally I haven't seen any signs except for a few on private property, maybe you have seen some, the signs are not the issue obviously these people are concerned about their front yard and have a right to be so because it effects them directly, everybody has that right. The real issue is we need to respect peoples rights to a peaceful enjoyment of their properties every body has that right. obviously you enjoy having a concrete path in front of your house and you have that right, now getting all upset at people trying to protect the coast and their properties is the wrong thing, please have a good meeting with yourself and see if you can let other people to the right of their self determination as well.
  • KH over 4 years ago
    It a beautiful stretch of coastline and is perfectly accessible as it is, leave it alone! I do not agree that a 3m concrete shared bike/pedestrian pathway would benefit this area. The construction of such a path would be a travesty that would irreversibly damage this beautiful section of our coast (construction of a 3 m wide bike path would impact a strip of land up to 10 meters wide – I was advised this by the consultant to the council who is responsible for developing the options that are currently under consideration).I hope the council do not progress with this project however if they determine that they need to then I hope common sense prevails and that they chose to implement an ecologically friendly, low impact path designed for leisure walking (and children on small bikes) and not a concrete bike path is approved for the Coast Park.
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    • Al over 4 years ago
      Couldn't agree more - perfectly said!
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      • AWD over 4 years ago
        Agree, let's leave as is or at least be environmentally responsible
  • Glen @ Henley Beach over 4 years ago
    I hope a minority of people don't have the majority say in a path for everyone to use. I now ride to Glenelg with my kids and would love to do the same to Semaphore. It's plain to me, just follow the coast for all to enjoy. We have consulted way too long. Walk or cycle the other sections of path and see how many people are currently enjoying it.
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    • AWD over 4 years ago
      I don't think its the minority having a say here. I don't live on the beachfront and don't want to see a path go in there. I actually like option's 3 and 4 for something different along this section (since the path won't go through Tennyson dunes anyway) but if the path does go ahead then at least choose option 1 to lessen the impact on the environment.
  • Graham over 4 years ago
    I can't see why anyone would want to pave the stretch between Fort and Hallam Streets. There is a perfectly good grassed walking path, maintained by the locals. There is a bike path on Military Road and this path on top of the dunes, and of course there is always the beach to walk along. The Council is in debt, the State government tells us it is broke, yet some still are trying to find ways to spend money unnecessarily.
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    • Glen @ Henley Beach over 4 years ago
      I ride the coastal path regularly with my 2 young children who are all learning to ride. It's a no brainer for me. The other sections of the path are fantastic. Just build the path please!
    • Results over 4 years ago
      The part that attracts people is that this part of the coast is natural, grass vs concrete, obviously grass is the way to go, we dont live in a comunist post word war 2 eastern block country where everything was concrete, this is Australia.
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      • Duke over 4 years ago
        I think under a heritage listing the lawns would have to go as they are made up of declared weeds. I personally feel the West beach section was done well and is a huge asset to the area.
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        • BANDS over 4 years ago
          I think under the heritage listing laws that all non coastal natives would have to go, I'm sure all residents along this stretch would support this without doubt! It would be great to also see the council spend some money on cleaning up the weed infested parts of the dunes so we can start protecting them and not destroying them. It's also interesting you mention the West Beach section of the bike way Duke as this was used as an example many times at the Speak Out's regarding how poorly the path had been done from a safety perspective (by attendee's not the council who didn't comment on this other than to say they have learnt from previous works being completed). The reason being is that the stretch through West Beach is quite straight so the speed at which cyclists go through this area is incredibly fast and potentially very dangerous to pedestrians. It was good to hear that the council have learnt from this and will be meandering any path (if it goes ahead and I sincerely hope it doesn't).
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          • Duke over 4 years ago
            Bands you would be right with the heritage listing meaning all non coastal natives would have to go. I brought it up as a lot of people are doing the environment argument and saying grass vs cement, grass is natural. I think some people are getting confused between aesthetics and environmental issues. As a regular user of this section the fastest thing I've seen on the track is unleaded dogs running uncontrolled on the track.
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            • KH over 4 years ago
              I agree with you both - non natives will have to go and the fastest thing on the track as it is right now is unleaded dogs. Let's leave the track as is and spend the money on removing non coastal natives throughout the dune system, protecting the environment and keeping it a track where unleaded dogs are the fastest thing on it not high speed cyclists like the section between Grange and Henley!
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              • BANDS over 4 years ago
                I agree KH, let's leave it as is or at least build an environmentally friendly path that people can walk on without having to worry about bike riders. I'm in my 70's and I find walking on the shared path between Grange and Henley jetty's to be too intimidating and I very rarely walk along there these days - I head north and enjoy the peaceful path along Tennyson without fear of being run over.
              • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
                Let the wisdom of age prevail
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                • AWD over 4 years ago
                  Agree, lets keep some of the coast as is for those who enjoy it. There are enough paths elsewhere for people to walk/ride on why does the council need to spend more money they don't have on this!
          • Al over 4 years ago
            Agree, let's get the council spending the money on protecting this area!
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            • AWD over 4 years ago
              Yes, spend the money where it should be on protecting this section and not destroying it when there are so many other options
          • AWD over 4 years ago
            agree BANDS
  • Honeybee Cycles over 4 years ago
    As a bike riding advocate, bike shop owner in Port Adelaide and a rider for everyday transportation I am all for the opportunities of having a "Coastal Bike Route' from Grange to Semaphore... .in the little time opening Honeybee Cycles I have had many people interstate (Canberra, Vic) and overseas (Ireland, France, Tokyo) coming into my shop asking for bikes to ride and sightsee. Having a Coastal Bike Way from Semaphore to Sellicks would be World class and a tourist destination ---- MUST RIDE for Bike Riders, Cycle Tourer and leisure riders of Adelaide and surrounds. Charles Sturt has the opportunity to be a world class vanguards for riding infrastructure that provides rides with a truly remarkable, and re-memorable riding experience.... drawing potentially 100's to 1000's riders, birdwatchers and environmentalist to experience the walk or ride. Not having this coast park would set back any opportunities to share our beautiful coast line with the rest of the WORLD!!! we need to think about the bigger picture and the opportunities this creates, and the value of open pubic space in place making..... Lets make ADELAIDE THE RIDING CAPITAL OF AUSTRALIA!!! We must remember also that Riders generate huge income to local businesses along this Route ... as they safe money in fuel this money is spent at local cafes and small businesses. THis is an opportunity we need to support the Coast is an experience unlike any other.
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    • AWD over 4 years ago
      I can understand that you are looking to promote this however if you had been at the council speak out sessions you would have noted that what they want to do with the bike way was quite stunning and would make for something very different that links up Semaphore to Sellicks without destroying our coastline. If you are so interested in our environment why would you want to destroy this last remaining stretch of coastal dune with a 3 m wide concrete path
  • Kym over 4 years ago
    No Coast Park between Grange and Semaphore is indicative of a desperate attempt to selfishly keep this area as an exclusive enclave. I have walked through this area and It is plain to see that most of the strip in front of the encroaching houses has been severely degraded by widespread introduced hardy plant species (from nearby gardens), building spoil and private paths through the dunes. The western edge of the lawn strip north of Cormorant Crescent has in some cases been planted as a front garden also allowing the escape of exotics into the dune area. Only the area immediately south of Estcourt House shows visible signs of good landcare. The Coast Park including the sensible and sensitive construction of a shared use path in this strip of coastline would enable the proper restoration of the dune area environment for more to see and enjoy.
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    • Al over 4 years ago
      I don't think there is a selfish attempt to keep this area exclusive to the beach front residents. I DO NOT live on the beachfront and frequent it often and have found the locals in the Tennyson area to be nothing but welcoming. How about we look at all sides and try and find a compromise that works somewhat for those who want a path taking into consideration the local residence needs as well - seems more win win to me. It's a shame to see the 'lets cut down the tall poppy syndrome' here on this forum - lets make choices for the right reasons not to 'shove it up' someone else...
    • Peter Bayssari over 4 years ago
      Kym There is no selfish attempt to keep the area an exclusive enclave. You have the right to walk along there anytime you wish. Many people currently walk along the existing paths and I have never seen anyone stop them. To constantly accuse people whom live along the beach front as been selfish is nothing more than a desperate attempt to push your agenda.
    • Results over 4 years ago
      Ive lived in an around the are for 12 years and its my favorite strip as its the only part left that is natural, lets not spoil it
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      • AWD over 4 years ago
        Agree, let's not spoil it, leave it as is.
  • Results over 4 years ago
    Please leave the Dunes alone, there are so many priorites for this governmment, we are in a defecit, lets spend the money on more important things for our comunity, lets not pour concrete over the last part of our beautiful coastline, this coastline is not just ours it is for our future generations. If we are going to do somthinig lets do something that enhances the coast for all to enjoy. We dont need an eyesore for the residents or people using the path, when it comes to our envirment and coast lets do it properly so we can be proud of what we have done for us and the future generations. Ignorant people can lay an uggley concrete path anywhere, but it takes a responsible socielty to create something enviromentaly friendly and something that enhances not dehances the coast.
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    • firemat13 over 4 years ago
      Yes, we live on the sea front and naturally we love it. We have a walking path between our home and the dunes which is fantastic, our whole neighbourhood and visitors use it as a walking path with their families, pets and friends as we do. The enjoyment to take in the sea air, to watch the dolphins, to study the native plants but more so than anything "just enjoy a stroll by the sea". To benefit everyone except bike riders, absolutely everyone needs to keep the strip as natural as possible. Can you imagine how beautiful it would be if we all could have a board walk or low impact meandering walking path through the dunes. Far enough away from the existing homes for security reasons, but beautifully constructed to add to the ease of adding to one of the "best walks" in South Australia. All we ask "don't wreck something that's so fantastic" with some concrete looking laser levelled eye saw up against the front doors of houses.
    • denham over 4 years ago
      I have lived in this area for over 20 years and not much has been done to enhance the Seaview Road Tennyson coastal strip so why should something be done now - please leave the dunes area as is. The people who enjoy/appreciate the dunes area as they are will still come for a walk/jog & relax as they have for years. There is only a small amount of natural dunes left in Adelaide so let’s keep what we have for future generations. The money saved could go into other areas to cut council and government spending.
    • bikerider over 4 years ago
      I agree, I think doing a coastal park for all to share would be great if it was done properly, slapping down a big concrete path is not the answer.
    • Nature SA over 4 years ago
      I totally agree Results, there are many other useful things this money could go towards, destroying the beach front should NOT be one of them. We need to protect this space, ensuring it's sustainability.
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      • AWD over 4 years ago
        Agree, let's spend the money on protecting what's left before we have nothing to pass on to future generations other than photos of how it once was!
  • Kevin@HenleyBeach over 4 years ago
    No Coast Park is not an option! We have been monitoring the coastal path project with baited breath since it was first announced by the State Govt over 15 years ago. We were delighted and optimistic that we would be able to ride along this proposed path with our young children (who had only just been born when this project was announced) without the danger of riding along roadways. We have in the past attended numerous consultative meetings and symposiums, completed surveys, submissions and letters to the editor, submitted petitions and canvassed elected council members in the hope that our dream of riding along an uninterrupted coastal pathway north and south from our home at Henley Beach, would eventually come to fruition. That dream has now well and truly evaporated, and we can only hope the pathway will eventually be completed without going along major roads so that we can one day enjoy it with our grand children! The only way we were able to experience an uninterrupted coastal ride with our children was to bundle our bikes into the back of my ute, and drive to the edge of our council area - (to Bower Rd into Pt Adel - Enfields area) to then enjoy over 10 km of uninterrupted coastal pathway all the way to North Haven, without the danger of crossing or travelling alongside roadways with vehicular traffic. Surely enough time and money has been wasted on consultation, meetings and "speak outs", and the questions of "why, what, when, where and how" have been well and truly answered with the "dooms day" predictions of the opponents with self interests thwarted with each section of pathway that is slowly completed. When a large project is announced, one that in the big picture benefits far more residents than it disadvantages eg a new highway, they don't go through a full consultation and planning process for every few hundreds metres of roadway that is built and draw the process out for over 15 years. This is bureaucracy gone mad, but this is what has occurred with this coastal path project within the Charles Sturt Council area. In relation to the Tennyson Dune system - have a look at a google satellite image of the area, it is already a patch work of gravel pathways and fences, so it can hardly be called an untouched or truly natural environment. There are options including boardwalks that can be built over some of these dunes, again to allow people to view and appreciate them, without the impact the current gravel pathways have on this area. Some wonderful examples of these type of boardwalks already exist along the coastal walk at Hallet Cove and in our National Parks including Innes National Park and through the mangroves at St Kilda - diverting around the entire area is far from the most ideal option. We can only hope that common sense eventually prevails and that a vocal minority don't spoil this project which a vast majority of families should be able to enjoy. We support Option 2 as a compromise which keeps the majority of the dune system untouched, but also completes the intended coastal pathway as orginally announced.
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    • KH over 4 years ago
      I'm not sure where you are getting some of this information Kevin as the recent council Speak Outs were pretty clear on the historical importance of the Tennyson dunes sight. In addition some of the area's you are talking about are vastly different to the remaining section of coastline. You cannot compare what was done at some of these locations to what impact will occur through the dune system at Grange and Tennyson. In addition at the recent council 'Speak Out's' it was advised that we have already destroyed 99% of our dune system with only 1% left in SA (I have not clarified this but have taken it as a direct quote from the night). I can understand you want families to be able to enjoy the area and I support that too however I believe we need to be responsible for future generations and make sure "IF" this is to go ahead (my preference is not as I enjoy walking along this section as it already is) that the council use some common sense and make it a low impact environmentally friendly as possible.
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      • Duke over 4 years ago
        KH, I missed the speak out sessions, but since you were told of the "historical importance of the Tennyson dunes sight and how there is only 1% of the dune system left" did you ask why council has been approving and still approving houses being built on these precious dunes. A shared path can be built and not degrade the dunes any more then has already been done, simple build where the dunes are already degraded or destroyed from the building of the houses that are currently covering the dunes.
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        • KH over 4 years ago
          Hi Duke, I actually agree regarding the approval of new homes, I don't think that should be occurring either. BUT... just because the council are allowing that doesn't mean that we as a community group can't be more responsible and stand up and say, enough is enough... Let's not do anymore damage. I would rather see some funds go into the protection of what we have left so future generations can at least see it how it is today than tell my child that I stood back and did nothing.
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          • Duke over 4 years ago
            Sorry KH I haven't heard of any of these protests for the "no building houses on the dunes" and they are still currently being built, but have heard a lot of protesting for the building of a pathway on a very degraded section of the dunes that is public land and is the safest route for this path. By the way all the info you seem to have learnt at these community meetings and spreading on this page is old info. I learnt all this info in Geography in the early 80s and the main thing I remember from the excursion we had there was of this beautiful old house (estcourt house) in the middle of the dunes, very different to the way it looks now. Back then, I was the future generation, now I can not accept this environmental excuse for not building this path when it can be built with sympathy for the environment and do .001% of the environmental damage that has already been done in the last 30-40 years and yes the environmental and historical significance of the area was known and ignored. I find it quite absurd that this option/question (What are your thoughts on the option of 'no Coast Park' from Grange to Semaphore Park?) has been raised. This infrastructure, done right, is badly needed and could be a huge benefit for all, have you ever used the Torrens Linear Park Trail, for example, a grate place to get in touch with nature in the middle of a city and is very accessible to all, no matter how you get there or use it.
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            • KH over 4 years ago
              I'm sorry you feel that the information provided by the Council at the latest Speak Out's during the past two weeks is old and obsolete compared to information you received 30+ years ago - perhaps take it up with the council and the professional independent planning company (Aspect Studio's) who provided it along with the various representatives of the Tennyson Dunes Group (some who have been members since it was founded 20 years ago and been residents in this area for a significantly longer period than that!). Please do not mock the information I have provided because it doesn't suit your views.
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              • Duke over 4 years ago
                KH I never mocked the information or said that it was obsolete, I just pointed out that it's not new information and was known and ignored by council and private parties to build houses that are still being built, that see no protesting. It is with this information that I believe a hard path can be built with sympathy to the dunes and be alot more environmentally friendly than the current grassed areas. It is this information that points out that one of the biggest dangerous to this dune system is degradation from weed infestation from the gardens planted with exoctic plants and this includes the lawns. Aesthetics is not the same as environmental, but the two are being interchangeable on this forum.
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                • KH over 4 years ago
                  I agree, we should remove all non coastal natives however from the council Speak Out sessions I learnt (direct from the consulting company engaged to review path options) that the construction of a 3m wide concrete path may affect up to 10m which astounded me. I do not see a way to plough a 10m wide strip through these dunes in an environmentally friendly way.
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  • Peter Bayssari over 4 years ago
    It is the only untouched strip of dunes in the Adelaide metropolitan area. Why ruin it? There are plenty of other areas where the beach can be accessed by all.It doesnt make sense that the state government has introduced marine parks for future generations to enjoy fishing yet they want to ruin the only remining dunes in Adelaide. This stretch of beach from Grange to Semaphore is a peacful and relaxing place to go for all. You don't need a new bike path to access it. It can be accessed via the numerous existing walkways onto the beach.I say we should be spending money on preserving this strip and not destroying it.
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    • David A over 4 years ago
      Back in the late 1970's I was keen to save the Dunes from development for the same reasons but houses were built despite our opposition. People have made money out of building, buying and selling theses properties. Dunes residents don't want to share their coastline with those of us who chose to live inland a few streets and wish to walk or ride safely along the coast. I have seen successful board walks which have protected dunes elsewhere and can't see why they can't be used to enable safe recreational passage for others.
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      • Peter Bayssari over 4 years ago
        David Just because we made mistakes with the environment in the 70's & 80's it doesn't mean we should be making the same mistakes now. We need to learn from our mistakes. Yes housing should probalbly not have been built along the dunes but it has. That doesn't mean we should continue to destroy the dunes.We need to try & preserve what is left.
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        • Duke over 4 years ago
          Yes, but the houses are still being built!
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          • KH over 4 years ago
            Yes they are (I don't think anyone is disputing that Duke) but as everyone keeps saying, lets learn from that and endeavour to preserve what's left, not destroy it!
  • denham over 4 years ago
    I have been down to West Beach path - yes it is great BUT there is 25m from the property line to the 3m path then about 80m to the beach A total of over 100m. Then went to Recreation Pde - Third Ave - it has a footpath, verge then a one way roadway and parallel car parking to the 3m path. The other side of the path to the beach is then about 30m A total of over 43 m. Tennyson strip north Hallam St going north varies from 60m to 25m. Compared to both Semaphore South and West beach the space is not there to do a similar layout without encroaching on these dunes. This would incur excessive costs to the parties involved, there would be no easy cheap way to built a path through this fragile area without excessive damages to both flora & fauna.
  • bikerider over 4 years ago
    Lets leave this tiny bit of untouched coast alone, it has escaped having a horrible concrete path, unlike most of the beaches, we have made enough mistakes with the other beaches lets leave this one alone or maybe fix the ones we wrecked first before destroying this one. We dont want to spend council money which is so needed on so many other areas on ruining our coast, lets stop this nonsense.
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    • Dennis K over 4 years ago
      A bike rider that sees beyond self interest.Well said!
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      • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
        Oh please, surely you can see beneath the mask of the bike rider
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        • Results over 4 years ago
          The masked bike rider is he like the lone ranger
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          • RustyNeverSleeps over 4 years ago
            Without the Results (Tonto)
  • RogerP over 4 years ago
    The Heritage area of the Tennyson dunes is currently protected by the minister. How long will that last once the path goes in north and south? The heritage dunes cover such a short distance, they really need a decent buffer zone north and south to ensure their protection, and the protection of the biodiversity within this area. Once lost, it's gone forever. It is time to pause and reflect, especially when there are higher priorities for council and state expenditure.
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    • Duke over 4 years ago
      I would in part agree Roger, but lets be realistic the buffer is not needed in the north & south but to the east! When you walk through the area you notice only one or two houses have true sympathy for the environment. These residents have a manicured replication of the wild dunes, all the other houses have exotic plants & lawns, with a high number of them penetrating the dunes. If the resident truly want to argue the environmental line why don't they protest the building of houses on the dunes, which is still happening now & there are no historical houses except Estcourt House. If the minister has decided no path through the reserve, are we to presume it's going to have a heritage listing. Then realistically to protect this area we need to ban all cats & dogs and have a strict weed policy in place!
    • Nature SA over 4 years ago
      Roger you are totally right, that fact that the Tennyson dunes corridors are not protected is pathetic. Protecting the biodiversity of this gem is so important, if only everyone had enough commonsense to realize. We should be leaving a better world for the future, not one that has been compromised.
  • beachshack over 4 years ago
    During the current Coast Park consultative process there are a lot of crocodile tears being shed for the sandhills by some of the people who built or bought houses on top of the sandhills! Some now seek to appropriate the access and views from public land. I remember when they got rid of the shacks that lined the coast there about 50 years ago. I also remember going down there and protesting against the sub division of these sandhills by Delfin about 30 years ago but the bulldozers were more persuasive!Near the corner of Seaview Road and Bournemouth St the various parties have for some time (illegally?) blocked off a previously existing path under the guise of a green ban. Go down and have a look for yourself. The elephant in the room of course is the McMansions built on top of the sandhills right next to this barricade. Maybe Charles Sturt Council can remove this barricade as a first step for the Coast Park going through!I understand that the options that the reference group came up with were all in reality variations on the theme 'no Coast Park from Grange to Semaphore Park' and that the Minister has indicated that the sand hills are out of bounds. Quite a prescriptive consultation process! The Coast Park should run along the coastline, not along Military Road or the back roads of Tennyson. It needs to be designed in a environmentally and neighbourly way (and can be), but it should run along the coastline all the same. Imagine if in Brisbane their boardwalk along the Brisbane River was not allowed to run in front of Bretts Wharf Apartments but redirected behind along the road! Imagine if the boardwalk at Long Beach in LA ran along the back streets; no one would have written a song about that! Our metropolitan coastline is our "Brisbane River", our "Sydney Harbour", and we need to make the most of it.The existing track through the Tennyson Dunes used to connect to the pathway near the corner of Seaview and Bournemoth, until the private interests blocked it off and this short section fell into disuse. There is actually only about a 50-70 metre stretch of track that needs to be re-established (I emphasis re-established - it was there before) to connect to the existing track in the Tennyson Dunes.At the very least walkers should be able to walk along the coast above the high water mark, including through the dunes, on a designated low impact track.It is true that between the Esplanade and Bournemouth there are about 6 properties with old titles down to the highwater mark. Resuming sections of this land would be very expensive. It would be more cost effective (and a bit of a quirky highlight) to run a slightly elevated boardwalk at the base of the sandhill just below the highwater mark along this short section of beach. As the houses sit back up on top of the sandhills their view would not be impaired.Put the coast into the Coast Park!Chris
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    • Kevin@HenleyBeach over 4 years ago
      Well said Chris - I could not agree more. If they are going to introduce a "No Path" Option, they should also introduce a "Pathway as Close to the coast as possible" Option for all to vote on - with board walks over sensitive areas, or the shared pathway along the actual boundary of sensitive Dune areas only, instead of avoiding the entire coastal strip between Grange and Semaphore!
    • Graham over 4 years ago
      No offense, but any comparison between Tennyson Beach and Long Beach , Sydney Harbour or the Brisbane CBD is a bit far fetched. There is such a path in (somewhat) comparable places like Glenelg or Henley.
  • dandmfrancis over 4 years ago
    There should definitely be a coast park pathway and it should be a shared pathway built along the coast! In these days of increased obesity in both adults and children I believe a coast park is just the thing to coax people away from their TVs, tablets,games etc and get them back outdoors-walking, on bikes, skateboards etc - just like when we were kids! There's nothing like the ocean to soothe the soul. Let's get back that community spirit of 'sharing' via a 'shared pathway' and help to encourage all people to be as fit and healthy as possible!
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    • Graham over 4 years ago
      I suppose my only comment is that if the other 39km of path and a nice natural area is not enough to get these people out, I will be surprised if this extra 4.7km will make much of a difference.
  • Nature SA over 4 years ago
    The beach front is at risk of being irreparably damaged, destroying this unique dune system. We need to protect and preserve the natural beauty of the Tennyson dunes for everyone. The dunes of Tennyson Beach are unique, and as Adelaide’s only, remaining undisturbed beach front any kind of development cannot be taken lightly. We should preserve this location leaving it exactly the way it currently is. Adelaide should not have to suffer due to a few unrealistic proposals, such as a man made path. This is a beautiful beach for everyone in this state, and we should unite together to protect it not destroy it. It's very disheartening that this conversation even has to happen, in order to stop what should Not even be on the cards in the first place. No path, no worries. Together we can make a difference and save the only beachfront that has not been degraded!
  • dark helmet over 4 years ago
    I think that the area in question needs to be there for everyone not just the residents. I'm a few green lawns along there just doesn't cut, I rode along there today and had to divert on to the beach to connect with the next section of bikeway/footpath. I found the Area in Question to be very shanty town. The residents along there need to understand at least in my opinion that any development along there would make this pathway a potential Mecca for out door enthusiast s and also would dramatically increase the value of Properties along the Area in Question.... in addition I would go so far as to recommend not only should there be a track along there for everyone but a road as well and make it a proper esplande. Do it right the first time, I'm certain that the residents would prefer wonderful green grasses then ugly dune scrub anyway
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    • SaveOurShores over 4 years ago
      Are you kidding me...a road? Do you have no conscious for the world we live in? This natural habitat is public land and open to everyone to enjoy it. Many people come from outside the area to enjoy the peaceful environment, without the hordes of people, without running the risk of being taken out by a bike. Do you know how many beautiful creatures, lizards and birds live in these dunes? Don't you care what will be destroyed if bulldozers come in? Do you not see just how precious these last remaining dunes are and how rare it is these days to find a tranquil place to walk and rest the mind. You are missing the point - is it not about residents versus non residents, it's about what's best for the last remaining dunes in metropolitan Adelaide, or what is left of them.
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      • Duke over 4 years ago
        Yet houses are still being built and no one is up in arms & protesting? Is this selective environmentalism? West beach dunes had extensive trenches dug in the dunes for sand pumping and I've been watching the revegetated area recover and blend in with the rest of the untouched areas. I would love to ride the path from Semaphore to North Haven, without running the risk of being taken out by a car and becoming another statistic in the hospital, or the morgue.
      • Results over 4 years ago
        Lets save whats left for everyone and also our future generations
    • Nature SA over 4 years ago
      The beach should definitely be there fore everyone, as it currently is. The fact that this area is the only unharmed tranquil beach front left in SA is appalling. There are many beach fronts that cyclists can and do already enjoy. Any development would not only dramatically decrease the residents houses, but also the surroundings suburbs, therefore South Australia. Its disgusting that a few ignorant people want the sate loses its only unharmed, undistributed beachfront to development, the question is sustainability and protecting what is unique. Saying that residents would prefer grass to the natural habitat dunes is not only laughable but completely absurd. That's like saying you basically don't want a beach! as the dunes protect the beach. Lets help educate those who don't know any better.
  • Dennis K over 4 years ago
    LEAVE IT AS IS! I thought the last remaining part of the sand dunes from Grange to Semaphore is a Coastal Park anyway.!... A natural one that everyone can still enjoy. No matter what you decide on one of those options directly affects those residents be it on the beach front, Seaview Rd or even Military rd. All deserve their opinion, privacy, safety and security. I was under the impression money was tight, so Instead of wasting millions of dollars putting in this path to satisfy a few why not direct that spare cash and upgrade areas like Henley Square that is looking very tired and frequented by thousands or Semaphore. Surely there is more important areas in our community that need financial assistance, instead of some idea that goes back some 15-20 years ago that has to be fulfilled. So instead of neighbours arguing with each other what is right or wrong let's use some common sense and LEAVE IT AS IS!
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    • Results over 4 years ago
      I agree leave it as it is
  • Joma over 4 years ago
    I do live on the beachfront and am conscious that a number of people are not sure whether they can walk along in front of the houses as they think it is private land. I have asked council to put up a sign at Fort Street advising of the right to walk along there. They refused. I support a comfortable WALKING track along the dunes but I thoroughly agree with others who are afraid now to walk on the path between Henley and Grange as it is dominated by bikes. As an elderly person, I find many riders who use the path are intimidating. i am also afraid that I will be knocked over outside my house if there is a bike path built there. I certainly do not support a 3m wide concrete path encroaching on the natural beauty of the dunes. As others have commented- it is already a lovely walk along the area (so long as the public is clear about their right to do so.)
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    • Results over 4 years ago
      The natural beauty of the dunes, must be Preserved
  • jperks over 4 years ago
    I believe the question is misleading, as the area of beach/sand dune is effectively already a coast park, with it being as available to the general public as it is to the residents adjacent the area, and with no specific bike tracks.Mountain bikes are ridden along parts of it already, and at low tide, which is most of most days, mountain bikes can be ridden on the broad expanse of beach.Therefore I submit that formal bike paths, particularly Option 2, are unnecessary, will be an eyesore, and will be a waste of public monies to indulge the pet pastime of a small number of bikeriders who seem to need a concrete track to ride on just about everywhere, no matter the cost (as long as they are not specifically paying for it).
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    • Results over 4 years ago
      Yes option 2 is totally unnecessary, we are better then that.
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  • celineambre over 4 years ago
    Put it simple: I love, absolutely love this stretch of the dunes "walk" because of its actual configuration. It is the only section with minimal path construction making it quiet and peaceful. No high pedestrian and bicycle traffic. And I am not trying to defend it because I own it. I live near Port Road. But I walk there 3 days a week on average. And I choose to walk there because it is as it is.So much of the dunes has been destroyed or constructed, and the proposed paths (options 1, 2) would only build further more onto the dunes. Why have these last 4.7km constructed when there are so many km to choose from for pedestrian and bicycle who likes constructed paths? Can we leave a little diversity by not touching these remanent 4.7km? It is the only part of the coast that allows me to day-dream, dreaming that I am far away from the city, crowd and consumerism. It is the only part of the coast that allows me to imaging what a beautiful coast it must have been before settlement.I only wish more money would be put into preserving and restoring its natural flora and fauna. And keeping human-being in safe distance. Certainely not closer, and on a new constructed path.
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    • cycledad over 4 years ago
      celineambre why don't you just walk on the beach? If you walk here so often you will know just how little of the 4.7km will affect any dunes.......I wonder if you drive your car to get to your walks? Like so many filling the air with poisonous fumes- not really great for animals and plants, also depleting the worlds natural resources. Lets have more safe routes for people to cycle at an easy pace so cars get left at home.
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      • celineambre over 4 years ago
        Cycledad,I bicycle. I wonder, Cycledad, if you take a car to go food shopping, go to work, go to meetings, go to doctors, to go on holidays; if sometimes in your life you had to hop in a motorised ambulance, or take a plane; or if your mail is delivered by a post man/woman on a motorbike, and on and on...?Cycledad, this is not my point here.
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        • cycledad over 4 years ago
          great, I'm sure you will happy to be off Millitary rd.
        • Duke over 4 years ago
          It,s exactly the point, because this area is so difficult & dangerous to get too without using your car. You obviously agree as you say you cycle, but don't cycle to the dunes for your walk & you live within a couple of kms of the dunes, a perfect & easy ride. Even with a coast park, there will still be the Tennyson Dunes paths as there is no plans to get rid of them.
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          • celineambre over 4 years ago
            I do not live within a couple of km from the dunes. It's a 25min bicycle trip for me from where I live to Grange, where I walk on the dunes path all the way to Tennyson and beyond. Despite this, I hold my ground on my opinion.
  • BANDS over 4 years ago
    I think this is a beautiful stretch of coastline and should be left alone. Let's spend the money protecting this beautiful stretch for future generations not destroying it.
  • PaulSeaview over 4 years ago
    Why does man need to conquer all!! Concrete/foot paths/board walks, the list is endless! The attraction to a lot of these places/things is because it's natural, we already have footpaths on both sides of seaview Road. If you want to walk then use them or use the the beach after all that's what your there for. People use this area to walk/ride on now... That's my 2cents
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    • Duke over 4 years ago
      Where exactly do people ride now? You either ride illegally on the footpath or on Military Rd with no permanent bike lane, that the locals are always winging about how it is a "drag strip" and is so dangerous!
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      • KH over 4 years ago
        From what I have seen (I have lived in the area just over three years so relatively short) many people ride along Seaview road (I see a lot these days) or the more confident and 'lycra set' ride along the designated bike lane (not path) on Military road.
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        • Duke over 4 years ago
          Seaview Rd doesn't get you very far though, does it. All roads lead to Military Rd and, I'll repeat, there are no designated bike lanes on Military Rd. This whole area could be used as a case study for town planners on "how not to plan a town!" This area was designed for one transport mode only, that being the car, or these days more like the urban SUV.
    • Al over 4 years ago
      Agree, it would be nice to see the strip left as is!
  • Al over 4 years ago
    I agree it’s a beautiful stretch of coastline that remains somewhat untouched, please leave it alone! I say we should be spending money on preserving this strip, keeping people and DEFINITELY bikes off it and not destroying it.
  • domo over 4 years ago
    I could understand local residents concern if the proposal was for a main noisy road but it's not! It doesn't make sense to ride from along the coast and having to detour onto Military Rd when you get to the end of Grange, It's similar embarrassment to the one-way southern freeway we use to have until recently. We love walking and riding along the coast and would love to explore that side of it, so please don't let the might of the dollar of the rich and powerful stop this development!
  • CyclistsRMad over 4 years ago
    While I agree that the Tennyson Dunes should remain as untouched as possible (and I don't live there), the Coast Park is a worthy project. The options put forward are not affecting the dunes area, so keep going with it.
  • Kevin Martin over 4 years ago
    What I do like about no coast park is that it preserves the natural integrity of the environment. Finding that nice quite spot is good at times.What I do not like about no coast park is that nature is not always nice. The area will become weed infested, rubbished and washed away if we done nothing. At the moment the community it working to keep the status quo of the region with sand moving and other park maintenance groups. The reality of the situation is that there are already a mix of paths of varying quality going through the coastal strip. This already creates a host of safety, privacy and environmental issues. If we condense all this uncertainty into one defined path that does meet all the standards then it is moving forward on responsible progress and maintenance of the area. As increasingly more people start to appreciate these special place, gradual upgrades in infrastructure are required for safety and community appropriateness.